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Those of you who have read Mr. Wang's post will know that I was invited to appear on a CNA talkshow regarding politicians blogging. I guess the cat is out of the bag so there is no point in me keeping hush hush about it here, as I did on my previous TV appearances (did not want the scrutiny, ironic I know). Yes, I did accept, and in fact I just returned from the recording. It was interesting and fun (I have worked with the producers etc. who run the show before and they are a wonderful bunch of people) but the show itself, I am afraid, might be rather lacklustre. One or two questions I asked led to some interesting soundbites, but I generally kept quiet because honestly, I had nothing to say for most of it; it was all very politically correct and meditated. There are some gems though, probably booboos on my part hehe. "Gayle, do you read the Minister's blog?" "Umm, at first, but then not really." "Why not?" "Well... (long pause as I tried to figure out how to say this nicely) I only read things that hold my interest (OOPS!)." If you do catch the show, also watch out for when I ask him about opposition politicians and new media like podcasts and (tongue-in-cheek) sound amplification devices in public. Hope these things will survive the cuts and edits. Cos otherwise, I CONFESS, I was boring. BG Yeo himself seems a nice man - soft-spoken, mild-mannered, with a faintly bewildered and endearing air about him. Don't be fooled though, he is certainly sharp and knows his business. We chatted after the show about a range of topics I must confess were much more interesting than the theme for the show ("Should politicians blog?" Sure, why not, who cares? Just another fish in the big blue sea), including the conscription of women and genetics. Well really I say 'chatted' but it was more like him talking with a few of us offering the occasional comment. BG Yeo has one thing in common with all other ministers I've met in person -- they talk slowly and at great length, making it difficult to interject, or feel like you should at all. Every. Thing. They. Say. Carries. Much. Pomp. And. Gravitas. Like. Every. Word. Really. Means. Something. (How to talk like a minister 101). My fellow guest was Bernard Leong from Singapore Angle, who was even more reticent than I was. What struck me the most about this episode, really, had little to do with the show itself. It had more to do with Mr. Wang's post. I must say I entirely disagree with his take on this issue. "One year ago, an opportunity like this would have been really exciting to me. To appear on TV! And talk about blogs! With a PAP minister! Well, that was one year ago. And one year in Internet time feels like 10 years in the offline world. Since then the Singapore blogosphere has come a long way. Bloggers are no longer going to burst with surprise, delight or alarm just because the mainstream media or the government wants to talk to them." -- Mr. Wang I am rather confused by Mr. Wang's train of thought here. He acknowledges that the blogosphere has come a long way. To me, this is a positive thing, and something to be celebrated. Granted, I am turned off sometimes by how blogging has become the 'in-thing' and also by the wave of attention paid to blog(ger)s in the form of flattery, critique and even imitation (STOMP!) by mainstream media. Nevertheless, one can't help but admit that this is a net benefit to the blogosphere regardless of my personal sensibilities, especially with regards to my own personal cause of citizen participation in politics, which I should hope Mr. Wang shares, when the focus turns on to citizens with something to say about socio-political issues and the interaction between the government and the people.
Mr. Wang makes it sound like it is a trivial, unimportant and passe that an opportunity is given for a blogger to speak face to face with a politician. Well it is not unimportant. Will it change the world? Of course not. Will it change anything? Not directly. But is it worth three hours of your time? Yes, definitely. Bloggers often feel themselves to be at liberty to pass comment on political issues and politicians. They do have, and must have, that liberty. But I cannot help but feel that their commentary and criticisms would be taken so much further, and would be delivered/crafted which so much more insight and clear-mindedness, if they were willing to step up and say these things openly and face to face with the person/policymaker they are criticizing, so that the latter will have the right of reply and also so that you, as a commentator, do justice to your views. The right of reply is a wondrous thing. How many clamoured for Mr. Brown to have access to it over the TODAY article and the subsequent loss of his job? Politicians should not be excepted from this right. Because when a reply is made, it means it is no longer one man shouting at a brick wall of bureaucracy or the iron curtain of politics. A reply means it is a conversation. A lot of insecurity can come with that on both sides because now one's views can be challenged, upset, overturned, undermined. But it is a necessary step to shortening the divide between government and people. And it would be a grave mistake for us to think that we do not need this step, or that we have heard all there is to hear from the official channels. I have never walked away from a conversation with a politician or a civil servant without having learnt something. It does not mean that I am converted to their thought - often I come away with new points of disagreement. But my perspective is always developed, because it has ventured out of its safety zone, and dared to engage. If we become blase and disinterested, distancing ourselves, then is it really the government's fault when we complain of an affective divide? "The TV show will probably be a good chance for George Yeo to publicise his own blogging attempts (on Beyond SG and Ephraim Loy's blog). George Yeo has been blogging diligently for the past few months. But after the initial burst of public interest, hardly anyone bothers to read him anymore. But I bet George will keep on trying. So will the post-65 MPs. After all, remember what PM Lee Hsien Loong had prescribed? The PAP needs to be more hip and happening, and the government needs to use "new" media to reach out to the masses. The leader has spoken. And so the show must go on." -- Mr. Wang Comments like this excerpt reinforce the perception of an all-powerful conspiring government and its lapdog politicians. Is there truth in it? Maybe, maybe not. As it stands, it is little more than speculative derision. Yes, it is an opinion, and has a right to exist. But perhaps it would be more fair to those involved if we did not turn down opportunities to say these things straight to those we judge so easily in the comfort of our homes. Furthermore, the opportunity to quiz ministers directly on the issue helps the debate to evolve. BG Yeo acknowledged, straight to the point when asked, that yes, blogging is indeed a way of reaching young voters, and is a new medium which should be embraced for that purpose. When something like that is admitted candidly, then we can move on to asking questions like -- is this move a good thing, and does it make our political system more healthy, or detract from it? -- rather than stagnating on the same accusations without receiving confirmation or denial. Now, please note, this is not directed at those who may not have opportunities to address politicians on all their issues of concern. Rather, this is an appeal to those bloggers whom I know to have specifically declined the chance to have their views heard in other avenues. Bloggers whom I consider smart, savvy, able to hold their own in a debate, and more experienced. When the media contact me, they more often than not mention that you have declined the chance to say your piece, or that they have received no reply. Some of you have valid reasons. I was told that Alex Au of Yawningbread, for instance, did not accept a slot on the show because he simply had no real opinion on the issue. Fair enough, though I would love to see Alex on TV giving as good as he gets or better. I have worked with him a couple of times and he is charming, smart and forthright in his views; a man who would add expertise and confidence to any discussion. But if you are declining because you feel there is no point in talking with 'the establishment', or because you would rather remain safely incognito/distanced from a political arena perceived as dangerous, then I appeal to you NOT to. Xenoboy, Mr. Wang, Mr. Brown, and other notoriously uncontactable bloggers -- you know who you are. Your efforts would really help to bring us to new levels of debate and citizen representation over a broad range of Singaporeans. Cheers all, and goodnight. |
| Ministerial Immaterial January 23, 2007 03:16 AM PST Was it the first time you met a Minister? Was it the first time you met George Yeo? How does it feel to speak with a Minister? | ||
| Roger January 11, 2007 09:29 AM PST Hi Gayle, Mr Wang himself and his decision looks very 'Important' to you. | ||
| sim chin boo January 9, 2007 11:05 PM PST Nothing new, nothing interesting, but I am sad to learn his (George Yeo) spouse and children are not quite interested in his blogs. MM Lee started the 'speak mandarin' campaign and he(MM Lee) said his grandchildren did not respond well to it. When the offsprings of our leaders are not responding to the initiatives of their forebears, how would the leaders expect the people to embrace their ideas? | ||
| Propaganda January 9, 2007 09:54 PM PST Did you guys watch the news? BlogTv seems to have been excellent propoganda for George. Sad. | ||
| whynotgayle? January 9, 2007 02:54 PM PST Engagement in battles of the wit or mind is the same as engagement in battles of war. The strong would always want to lure the weak out in the open and slaughter him. The weak would do well if he follows David to counter the Goliath. Trying to be a hero can easily end up a dead hero, which will be of no use to society. Timing and tactics are the two key considerations to win battles. Strategy is the long time weapon for survival and final victory. The unaware will always be unaware of the unaware. | ||
| john riemann soong January 9, 2007 10:10 AM PST I would be inclined to d'accord you whybegay, but the establishment have a habit of downplaying and twisting the words of whatever dissidents they interview. Perhaps if it was on a more neutral ground ... | ||
| whybegay January 9, 2007 01:54 AM PST What's there to lose by being on tv where one can publicise oneself and one's blog, which includes all the views in the blog mind you. Unless one is an ambush attacker and afraid to give up the position of the ambush position. In this case, it only implies a lack of battle skills and lack of legitimacy. And why would people accuse bloggers of moving onto the big screen? Unless they are eating a large bowl of expired sour grapes in front of the tv! Soured that selected bloggers can appear not only on the computer screen but also on the tv screen! | ||
| stillwaterrunsdeep January 8, 2007 04:06 PM PST Boon, whoever said Gayle was naive for accepting the interview? It shows up in the way she thinks. I won't try to convince anyone of that. The most convincing manner would be for one to go through the experiences and realize it on hindsight. | ||
| Boon January 8, 2007 03:53 PM PST stillwaterrunsdeep: It's Mr Wang's decision to make, and of course I have to respect that. I'm just expressing my opinion that it was a wasted opportunity, and that his quoted reason didn't stand up to scrutiny. To those who say Gayle is naive for accepting the interview: Why impose your own set of assumptions on her? She's the one who attended the interview, she knows better than anyone of us what it's like. If the show is really biased and censors all meaningful comments by their guests, then she's the only one who can judge for herself. The rest of us are just going by hearsay and rumours. | ||
| Jaded January 8, 2007 03:00 PM PST Rookies are more easily influenced than seasoned-warriors. | ||
| RLSL January 8, 2007 12:04 PM PST You have to respect other for their decision, are you trying to be Political Correct after interacting with BG Yeo? Go read more about Hitler and how he can get so many highly intelligent people to be his side. | ||
| whybegay January 8, 2007 05:05 AM PST Please spare the peace in Singapore already. And enough of the who-deserves-to-do-what by the who-do-I-think-I-am-to-judge opinions. I don't care whatever qualifications a person is "required" to talk about politics, as long as that person talks about it, 7 yr old or 70 yr old, people will listen to intelligence. If a person is not free to talk, the offer is offered to the next available person truly wanting to better Singapore, whoever he/she is. Stop talking about ego-maniacs already! Nation building is not about who's who or ego. Any common man, woman, boy, girl who is a citizen of Singapore has a say in how this country is run. Shut up your nonsense and get this in your heads already! | ||
| stillwaterrunsdeep January 8, 2007 01:14 AM PST Gayle, those are politicians and journalists who depend on what they do take home the bacon. They have no choice. It is their job. As for you, you are a student with comparatively less responsibities, probably less threatening and less at stake to lose. I hope you don't mind me saying this, but you are quite naive too. Appearing on TV is not the only and best way to engage meaningfully. What is so meaningful about it if views are mediated or censored and you have to keep discussions secret? It's about honest exchange isn't it? | ||
| stillwaterrunsdeep January 8, 2007 01:05 AM PST Boon, some things are better left unsaid. I think we should respect a person's decision because we do not know the full circumstances, instead of imposing our views. Unless, of course, we are only trying to put a person down. Gayle is an outstanding girl, but she is still young and has not experienced the real world yet. | ||
| Boon January 8, 2007 12:35 AM PST Yes I agree with you that Mr Wang passed on a great opportunity. I expressed as much on his blog. To my dismay, most of his readers felt he did the right thing. To pass on a tv interview with a minister because "blogging is passe"? I still think it's a lame reason. Note that he didn't think he'll lose his job or anything, as a paranoid commenter here remarked. | ||
| Psudo January 7, 2007 11:04 PM PST "Stop talking already, join the [insert political faction] why don't you." This argument shows up often enough in USA politics, too. All people would be better off learning to defy it. "A student who hasn't even held down her first real job honestly has no business..." Here's another fallacy. Opinions have validity based on how they resemble reality, not based on the experience of who speaks them. If a bumbling fool said "We will never understand 1/1000th of 1% about anything.", is it less true than when Albert Einstein said it? | ||
| gayle January 7, 2007 11:02 PM PST Sim Chin Boo: Thanks for your comment, you do have a point. I've been told that I should take down my tagboard, disable comments, etc., but I'm unwilling to. Despite the assorted flamers and unpleasantries I like the honest interactivity I have with visitors. And some of them do check back and change their minds, apologize for rudeness, rethink their perspectives, etc. Others check back and become even more opposed to me and my views, which is also their prerogative. Others never check back at all, but oh well :) | ||
| sim chin boo January 7, 2007 09:15 PM PST Gayle, may I say that you do sometimes waste your bullets in your spontaneous but sometimes impulsive reactions. Not all critiques deserve responses. Noticed that many commentators to blogs were liked talking to themselves. Indeed many do not look forward to responses. Other than the intellectuals, the laymen too use the cyberspace to vent their frustrations, lamentations, helplessness and to sigh off bitterness. The divides in cyberspace is as evident as the income gap. The more proficient in english are definitely expressing themselves better. The 'intellectuals' discuss topics and subjects at a different plane and with materials their 'professions' avail them. Student bloggers on the other hand depend on their reading materials and endowed senses to understand the wider world, the world at large. Cyberspace is free space for all and sundry, it will be wonderful if all can share it objectively. | ||
| john riemann soong January 7, 2007 04:39 PM PST "Stop talking already, join the [insert political faction] why don't you." This is a remarkably Uniquely Singaporeean (tm) fallacy. Yeah, you really pulled a classic there, using one of the top ten oft most recited, most hackneyed rebuffs of the Singaporean blogosphere. This fallacy seems to get repeated so much, with people continuing to ignorantly recite it, that it probably deserves a formal name. | ||
| cognitivedissonance January 7, 2007 04:07 PM PST to quote Mr Wang My Hero's prev comment: <i>No matter how many caveats you'd like to put in your post, Gayle, and I notice these are well interwoven into your posts, it's obvious that you're passing judgement.</i> Well it's not obvious to me that she's passing judgment. What she has is instead an opinion, and she argued it fairly and civilly here, as a response to exactly what Mr Wang wrote. And it's difficult for all of us to have the same understanding of what Mr Wang <i>meant</i> simply from what he wrote because he had a very short, sharp, uninformative entry. So let's just all say our piece nicely, shall we? Cheers, c.d. | ||
| gayle January 7, 2007 03:48 PM PST And for your information I DO know what it feels like to have doors closed on me because of my views. Small doors, simple ones, but I *have* felt the repercussions. I don't own or want any pulpits. But please don't preach to me from yours, either. Cheers. | ||
| gayle January 7, 2007 03:46 PM PST the journalists who went on national TV on the programme My Vote did not have lives, jobs, families, mouths to feed, people to think about? sylvia lim does not? chiam see tong? low thia khiang? don't take ME as a precedent. take all those who have ever given something, risked something, dared something. blogger, politician, or simple joe. | ||
| Mr Wang My Hero January 7, 2007 02:30 PM PST A student who hasn't even held down her first real job honestly has no business pontificating to working professionals with families to feed about how they should engage the MSM or Ministers. No matter how many caveats you'd like to put in your post, Gayle, and I notice these are well interwoven into your posts, it's obvious that you're passing judgement. Perhaps when you get coopted you'll understand what it means to take REAL risks. Maybe you'll even be the Minister "engaging" the youth on Blog TV. When you are, let's see how keen you'll be to do something genuinely morally courageous, walk the talk, and take the risks. Stop talking already, join the opposition why don't you. | ||
| AC January 7, 2007 09:33 AM PST Like the 01/05/2007 12:53 PM PST comment, one should consider that Mr Wang is a lawyer, while Gayle is a student. As a lawyer, he can be and will be held responsible for whatever words he used in the exchange with the minister. To be safe, the language and the content he would have to use will end up probably saying practically nothing challenging - which sort of defeat the purpose of going to the show in the first place. It is one thing to snipe from a blog in the internet, and another to utter challenges in the main stream media – a difference that Mr Brown learnt in a hard, hard way. | ||
| whybegay January 7, 2007 01:25 AM PST Yeah playtime, we should grill BG Yeo the REALLY difficult questions while he is on the BBQ pit. Ask him how does he reconcile his position as a peaceful diplomat and as a military BG in time of conflict. How does/would he reconcile his religious beliefs with his non-religious military duties? These are the real questions I would ask him if I got to meet him. | ||
| Name January 7, 2007 12:09 AM PST It was with reference to Gayle and Bilahari polemics that I guessed the former, a straight, pointblank and spontaneous shooter has got to be 'constantly' reminded. It's intriguing; when two people share a secret or personal affair privately, why give hint to others about it? And it appears intentional, does it not? Your response is much appreciated Kwayteowman. | ||
| YW January 6, 2007 11:26 PM PST Engaging you so as to know you better. So as to serve you better. Is not the same as in order to CONTROL and MANIPULATE you for the politicians' own ends. The record of this govt speaks for itself. Politics is not about morality, it is about controlling the people you rule. | ||
| playtime January 6, 2007 05:00 PM PST what i truly want to ask him is that how will he as a BG tell his soldiers that all must be prepared to die for Sg in return for being a citizen, but if you vote the "wrong" party, Sg will discriminate against you. as an officer, he took an oath to the country, and his men. he failed miserably. | ||
| dudu January 6, 2007 03:44 PM PST I think they are hammering the shit out of you. http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2007/01/01/your-history-my-history-and-rick%e2%80%99s-history%e2%80%a6/#comments Frankly speaking I think you deserve it! I say this constructively, so pls do not flame me :) | ||
| Kway Teow Man January 6, 2007 03:36 PM PST Name, "Gayle promised not to blog about some of the things I said". *sigh* It's obvious isn't it? He is saying this in jest. Let's get it straight. George Yeo is a politician and Gayle is a random girl that he has probably met for the first time in his life. Gayle is also the one who blasted Bilahari for his comments before. Do people think that George Yeo will tell Gayle anything that he cannot afford for Gayle to repeat in any public medium (blog or otherwise)? What test of Gayle's character are you talking about? :-) Gayle, Dun worry lah, you won't get charged under the OSA by a long shot. You may wish to refrain from saying too much until the programme is out as a matter of courtesy to the BlogTV crew though. :-P | ||
| Name January 6, 2007 12:12 PM PST "Gayle promised not to blog about some of the things I said". Was it supposed to be private agreement between two people? Why then, did it get publicised in his blog? Was it to be a constant reminder that the 'promise' should never be forgotten or compromised? What will be the readings of readers of the blogs? May I offer a guess here that Gayle is being tested for her character. The minister has shared something personal, endearing to a suject and the latter must not disclose it. He however let others know through his blog that such a 'promise' exist and must be kept. any other guesses or comments? | ||
| john riemann soong January 6, 2007 10:19 AM PST It depends on the intentions for accepting. But is a short discussion on TV with a minister what we're looking for, if we know that the show might face some editing later? How much can be discussd? I think Mr Wang didn't want to risk an endorsement. It was perhaps a gamble - we don't know how the shows will turn out. What we want is debate in parliament, or referenda (well, when they make it easier for citizens to make initiatives, anyway). Also, the most straightforward medium is for the politician bloggers to directly confront the issue, civilly. It would be quite enriching. And yet I see they often avoid the topics at hand. We also want to feel that we will be able to change each other's opinions. However, we fear that the establishment may be too arrogant for it to be worth it. Often, bloggers by criticising the establishment, have other Singaporeans as an audience, because at least in this country, politicians seem always to only have their own way and the only way to change policy is to vote them out. Would one think they would be able to influence George Yeo's opinion? But a very pertinent post ... a change from the last few ones. ;) (What did you say about conscription of women, btw? Military tests have shown women make better snipers ...) | ||
| Jol January 6, 2007 08:38 AM PST "As it stands, it is little more than speculative derision." To you. There are people for whom it is good probabilistic fact. | ||
| whybegay January 6, 2007 03:14 AM PST Yeah gayle, you would rather judge them as spiteful and self-conscious attention seekers. | ||
| whybegay January 6, 2007 03:13 AM PST Yeah gayle, you would rather judge them as spiteful and self-conscious attention seekers. | ||
| T January 6, 2007 02:39 AM PST But we must also remember that helplessness continues to breed cynicism. If we are cynical, that would also mean that we are to a certain extent, unable to change, or even envision a better state of affairs. I believe that was the subterranean irony in Machiavelli's message. He was delivering a message of helplessness in the guise of power to change things. That said, I think it is true, if not better, for change to come in increments. There is of course violent as well as non-violent revolutions, but they tend to reveal the irrational facet of mankind-too many bad mistakes could be made when people act rashly in the heat of the moment. If we advocate revolutionary changes, remember too that the best changes you are advocating now will only be fair game for the better next along the line in the same manner. I do believe that if people are unable to take new shocks, that is because most people are not very interested in the values people are interested in within this board. This is not cynicism: look around yourself. To risk a hint of superficiality, most people are interested in their own material welfare, and to a certain extent, the material welfare of others (health included). Ultimate values, or political values in the scheme of things are less visceral than the many other 'mundane' concerns of life. Unless these mundane concerns are challenged, we would be hard pressed to see such political values as an avenue of dissent. On the matter of home-grown talents, it is rather tragic. This is perhaps why all self-conscious empires will fail, an a small 'empire' Singapore is. To be so insecure as to reduce your own uncertainty by trying to brainwash, coerce, and restrain people who has a freewill to contribute and innovate. These people will have to leave. So who are those that remained? When that answer is found, one may also add a qualifier that non-quitters stay on for all the other reasons than to envision a better Singapore. So you are quite right: talents are dangerous if and only if one is uncertain and feels insecure of them. It might be easy for us to say this but think about the executives at the top. Their view is quite different. At the end of the day, our short-sightedness on short term preservation and gain will destroy our future generations. That's perhaps why violent revolutions and wars happen. | ||
| primagirl January 5, 2007 06:06 PM PST Who has the highest number of readers in the internet? The brotherhood. I am going to badger this darkness character to appear to represent the interest of the singaporean ppl. | ||
| gecko January 5, 2007 05:18 PM PST I quote Machiavelli from his book, The Prince, which was originally written in Italian in 1505: "It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them." I quote this paragraph because it represents part of the reason for decline of participation. There are people within and beyond the system who commit themselves to pushing the boundaries, questioning the status quo and effecting concrete, valuable changes. But how many are such? I asked myself whether I am a cynic. I think not. Yet, history teaches me to wear it on my sleeve. One of my friends once said, "Change has to come in increments." It cannot be a huge leap forward because there are people in the system who cannot take the shock of such leaps, struggling as they are to keep pace with even the incremental changes. But the mother of irony is that real change never happens in increments. It happens in paradigm. And our country's systems, though dynamic and quick in response to global, regional changes is hindered by ossified mindsets in certain groups of people that resist TRUE change. | ||
| kinekko January 5, 2007 05:01 PM PST I happen to think the current developments in terms of the freedoms to express and participate cannot be turned back. Yes, it's 2-steps-forward and 1-step-back, sometimes 3 steps back. But slowly and surely, it will happen. Cynics amongst us may point to the past and question whether we really are progressing. But the only way it can happen is if they were to totally shut down the online world and disallow all of us from saying anything online, or accessing the rest of the net. But that's surely not going to happen. No disrespect to all notable bloggers out there (who surely have more guts and bravery than most of us anyway), but I don't see why or fear should be a reason anymore. Surely, the govt knows who Mr Wang, or gecko or Xenoboy is. But by cross-firing and engaging with the state's representatives person-to-person, it goes a longer way to show that the voice deserves to be heard and respected. In fact, the only way the state can gain respect and the hearts (not just the minds) of the people, is if they are willing to sit down and hear from bloggers and other social commentators, instead of merely trumpeting over all. In any case, I do not believe or think fear is the reason for Mr Wang's rejection of the invite. Probably more of the censorship. But we (and I mean S'poreans in general) do need to get this 'fear' out of heads and stop using it as an excuse if they truly believe in having a voice. Because that is precisely the social conditioning that is intended for us to fall into. | ||
| Name January 5, 2007 04:15 PM PST clandestine or open, the consquences are the same. did lee kin man browned himself incognito? are bloggers not aware that they are traceable? pseudonyms are not always used as cover-ups, most are used to show frustrations liked shaving oneself bald. to be 'sayanged' one will have to fall in, get inline or be a double speak expert(hypocrite). the question really is how sound are policies, not whether politicians are nice chap, beautiful, handsome (ma ying jiu) or sexy people. it is like money, it is made to be used, how it is used and what it is used for is not the issue (unless it is sinful and criminal). Not using it (not credits plse) by virtue of its' purpose is a sin. anyone amassing wealth and not keep them in currency waste the value of money. good suggestions and reprimands not valued by policymakers are their losses. opponents, even enemies have one thing in common, ie they all want to live in a safe, peaceful and happy country. only imperialists wish to enslave others. talents in singapore may and may not fall inline and for the latter to be sidelined is akin to opposition wards getting upgrading later. for those going over the line (OB markers) talent maybe something dangerous to have since talents pose bigger and more serious threats. | ||
| gecko January 5, 2007 02:00 PM PST In the '80s, the electorate clamoured for a voice - they won it through JB Jeyaratnam in Anson. Then they lost it. In the '90s, the electorate clamoured for a voice - they won it through Chiam See Tong and Low Thia Kiang. Then they hung on to it. Barely. In the '00s, the electorate clamoured for a voice - they won it through bloggers speaking up and making their stand via new media (e.g. BlogTV). Now look at where Jeyaratnam is and where CST, LTK are. Electoral representation versus blogging representation through new media. Anyone wants to predict the outcome? | ||
| Name January 5, 2007 12:53 PM PST another point of view - Mr Wang is employed by a foreign bank - and we know what happened to that top banker after his comments on Singapore was circulated. Why should we want Mr Wang and Xenoboy to take that risk? Gayle, as a student you probably do not understand that aspect where you have young mouths to feed. Much thanks for your time. | ||
| kinekko January 5, 2007 11:16 AM PST I'm neither a blogger nor social commentator... But I do feel that those amongst us who believe strongly enough to comment, blog and critique the system and government, should not shy away from opportunities to engage with it. While it's certainly possible and most likely that the MSM eventually 'censors' or edit out some of the participants' comments, the only way to push for more engagement space is to continuously engage the state and the MSM. By choosing to stay out of the fray, the state will always have the excuse to think and believe that S'poreans do not need or desire to think, criticise, and speak their views. Do we honestly think the state of affairs re. freedom of expression and criticisms will change, if we continue NOT to push the envelope? Let's take the 'moral high ground': you engage, strengthen your voice and if the state / MSM censors, you have grounds for making noise ("we took up your invitation and yet you screw us by not censoring our views"). Rather than declining it and giving the state reason to say "well, we gave you the chance and space, but you guys didn't want it". | ||
| Hou January 5, 2007 03:43 AM PST Wait till the date of the actual broadcast., and you'll see why (again). Cheers, Hou. | ||
| JL January 5, 2007 02:44 AM PST You have seen how the MSM works, even on yourself. Have anyone critical of the MIW ever survived well? No matter how articulated and intelligent you are, they would prefer that these smarter bloggers not to be better than the million dollar salaried minister. No one want to look a dumb fool all the time. Everybody wants to be the good guy... | ||
| gayle January 5, 2007 02:29 AM PST wbg, I am not passing the kind of judgments on bloggers that you're suggesting. | ||
| hiphopforfxxx January 5, 2007 01:01 AM PST dont sure about the personal views of the bloggers that you had named. unless the debate is telecast 'live', lets not kid ourselves if 'real' change is what you are indeed hoping for. if bg yeo has come across as a nice guy to you, cna will convince us he is nth times nicer! | ||
| Name January 5, 2007 12:35 AM PST "Gayle promised not to blog about some of the things I said", unquote. The above quote may give rise to much speculation and imagination. "when the media contact me, they more often than not mention that you have declined the chance to say your piece", unquote. When telecast had to be edited to fit into the time slot and the edit had to be done on the portion the speakers valued most or at least believed it consequential. Do you agree that the print media will be able to help to have the content fully reported ? Or shall I say they should help as they are official medias that citizens rely on to be informed and engaged. The purpose of Blog Tv Sg are specifically for engaging citizens and for citizens or are there other function ? If the discussions (in the programme) are of import to the participants and organisers, is it not possible to arrange for a longer time slot ? Alternatively it can be retelecast in full by running it in series. It is understandable why some who participated before were disappointed. Viewers too could grow sceptical having watched many edited past parliamentary debates on television. Those invited but felt uncomfortable attending may not have confidence in the medias due to the shortcomings of the latter. Much about the medias are in the blogs, so there is no need to further elaborate. There are justified worries and uneasiness. | ||
| whybegay January 4, 2007 11:13 PM PST Gayle, there is really no need to invite the "ambush and attack"(AAA) type of bloggers out into the open because ambush and attack is what they do best, or what they only do. They cannot stand up to real-life scrutiny of their views. They always need a disguise or a good defence to protect their unsubstantiated arguments from facts and reason. Therefore they always stay in denial of what is real. They are always afraid of their own paranoid delusions of fear. In lan games such as Battlefield or Counterstike, it is always such loser immature "camping" n00bs that perform such ambush and attack lame tactics, because they lack the real skills to take on and defend themselves against the opposing side in a real and fair challenge. Ambush and attack type of bloggers is not what Singapore truly need. Kudos to students taking part in "The Arena". These young students truly have the guts to voice their views and to defend them openly. | ||
| whybegay January 4, 2007 10:26 PM PST They should have invited WSM to the show. Then they would have a brutally truthful debate. | ||
| gayle January 4, 2007 09:56 PM PST Name: Valid point about the right of reply, but when are we more likely to receive this reply, and in what manner? There is a world of difference between a statement that has been vetted 10 times over, by several levels of authority before being issued by a spokesperson reading from a piece of paper, and actually having that fella in front of you having to answer your questions. A far greater chance exists of you receiving something closer to the truth, or at least an incoherent lie or a fallacy that can then be taken issue with and followed through on the spot. I prefer this to having the govt announce something, have 100 bloggers come up with rebuttals, theories and protests, only to have all that fade into white noise which they can proceed to ignore. Yes, it -is- their prerogative to accept or decline. I am not trying to take that away from them. I'm just saying that sometimes we have to re-consider why we decline certain opportunities over and over again, and constantly weigh them against what we could achieve if we accepted. Else, we build our own divide between us and them. | ||
| gayle January 4, 2007 07:02 PM PST Justme: Perhaps that's so, but with the nature of blogging, I think it's less and less advisable or even desirable for the media to skew things. I don't think it would be that easy to get away with it in this present day and age. I know if certain things do NOT make it to air this Tuesday I will not just pretend it was never said. | ||
| Name January 4, 2007 06:50 PM PST Meetings between rulers and ruled invariably result in participants agree or disagree on an agenda. Commentators have used the word 'co-opt(ed)' on subjects (participants) who end up convinced by rulers. I prefer 'overwhelmed' and 'won over by'. Historically, older folks are less convincible, they are steadfast (steady or stubborn), stoic and less emotional. It is the prerogative of those invited to accept or decline particiption. Their decisions, whether disclosed or not must be respected. The right to reply is not diminish just because there is no meeting in person. As for hiding behind a name, it's not a nice act but then again they may have their reasons. We should focus on their contents, reject their rubbish if any and ignore them when they do not deserve attention. | ||
| Justme January 4, 2007 05:45 PM PST Perhaps the real reason why the bloggers you mentioned didn't want to take part in shows like Blogtv is because they believe (not without some truth) that their comments would either be edited, left out or worse, somehow 'skewed'. And the MSM is not known for correcting itself - or the mistakes it had made. So, in this respect, I can understand the reluctance to participate. In any case, if the govt were serious about engaging singaporeans, there are many opportunities for them to create other platforms to do so - another programme specifically for this purpose? Looking at the amount of 'reality tv' and drama serials (jap, korean, taiwanese, hong kong, local s'pore) on our tv channels, there is no doubt whatsoever that a programme for serious engagement can easily substitute any of these mind-numbing shows. Blogtv? I don't think FD is the guy to host a serious programme anyway. | ||
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